Deane, consul answer questions
More than 100 people attended a meeting with Prince William police Chief Charlie T. Deane and Enrique Escorza, the Mexican general consul in Washington, D.C., to have their questions answered about the police department's recently implemented illegal immigration enforcement plan.
"Community and police must embark in a partnership," Escorza read in Spanish from a prepared statement, with a printed translation provided. "… There are concerns that the fear of the lack of knowledge may nourish wrong perceptions. It is also a concern for all that situations like that may increase unintended stereotypes and attitudes that emphasize social
tensions. ... Therefore, factual information is the key to respect and be respected. That is exactly what we are looking for and that is the reason why we are here."
The informational meeting, held at the Hi Mart on U.S. 1 in Woodbridge, was one of nearly 30 Deane has held to educate the community about the policy mandated under a resolution the Prince William Board of County Supervisors passed unanimously last year.
The resolution, which thrust the county into the national spotlight and led to months of heated debate, denies some county services to illegal immigrants and requires police officers to investigate the immigration status of someone arrested for minor or serious offenses when there is probable cause that they are illegal.
It also called for the department to work with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement under the 287(g) program—something being done through the six-member criminal alien unit that will focus on serious crimes.
During the meeting, Deane explained how the policy came to be and what it requires of the
police.
He and Escorza then fielded questions that drew the meeting from 7 p.m. past 9 p.m.
Concerns about ICE raids at two work sites in the Manassas area when 34 Latin America nationals were arrested Monday were brought up during the meeting.
Deane said the police department provided assistance during the raid but did not assist in the
investigation.
Many of the questions that came in English and Spanish were directed at how probable cause is determined.
Deane's answer that officers will rely on facts and information, which could include everything from someone's inability to speak English to providing a forged ID, frustrated some who said they felt the answer was too vague.
"He leaves a lot of questions in our heads," 30-year-old Marlin Fisher, a U.S. citizen originally from Peru, said of the chief's answer to her question about using someone's language as a means to building probable cause is equivalent to racial profiling.
Several asked what would happen to a person involved in an accident who has no driver's license.
That was one of the main concerns of Jacoba Casteneda, an illegal immigrant living in Woodbridge, who said he has no driver's license but has to be able to drive.
Casteneda, who lives with his wife and two U.S.-born children, said he worries he'll be deported and separated from his family if he's ever pulled over.
"Before, nobody was scared about police officers," he said before the start of the meeting. "Now everybody's scared."
But many proponents of the measure have argued that illegal is illegal, regardless of whether a criminal act is committed, and that failed action at the federal level has created a need for local and state government to enforce immigration law.
While Deane reiterated that each case would vary, he said a person's immigration status might be checked if there is no driver's license.
He reiterated that victims and witnesses would be protected, and immigration status of those individuals would not be checked.
But tricky situations could arise, he added, when a known criminal or gang member is the victim of a crime.
"But our commitment to you," he said, "is we will do what we can to protect victims and witnesses."
Groups wanting to schedule briefings on the policy can call 703-792-7245.
Information on the police department's illegal immigration enforcement policy is available at pwcgov.org/police.
Staff writer Elisa Glushefski can be reached at 703-878-8062.
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So a person who is here illegaly and admits it and the chief of police does nothing? How much more probable cause do you need? We have these meetings so CITIZENS can ask questions. You just can’t cross the border and go to a town meeting and ask Whats up? How serious are we about enforcement?
Several asked what would happen to a person involved in an accident who has no driver’s license. That was one of the main concerns of Jacoba Casteneda, an illegal immigrant living in Woodbridge, who said he has no driver’s license but has to be able to drive.
Well, I have now heard it all!!! What happens to us if Americans are driving around without a driver’s license (and I don’t mean if I forgot my license at home)?
This only strenghtens my belief that PWC did the right thing. I wonder what the police man thinks, who’s now in the hospital, who was being hit head-on on his motorcycle by an illegal immigrant, who didn’t have a driver’s license.
And even better: our police chief talks to illegal immigrants and they asked him what happens if they don’t have a driver’s license, but they openly admit that they are literally driving around without one?????
This is bizarre and borders on surreal.
Oh the horror! an illegal alien scared to drive because he doesnt have a license? He shouldnt be driving at all! He shouldnt be here at all! I dont care if they are scared, they should be if they are illegal.
“....include everything from someone’s inability to speak English.“
Mexican Consul, are you hearing this? I suggest you discuss with PWC BOCS their racism and their alliance with HSM. I also suggest you address their intent to cut services for the elderly and disabled based on citizen status. And how about children getting screamed at in public and hate crimes and…..?
It’s time for Mexico to step up to the plate and defend their people in the right way.
It’s time for Congress to get these folks a temporary work visa if their criminal record is clean.
It’s time to stop taking parents away from children.
The time is NOW, not later.
NO RACISM IN OUR COUNTY!
It appears that many of the questioners wanted to know WHICH OF THE LAWS (on immigration, border control, human trafficking, health, safety and labor practices, home occupancy, debt collection, drivers licensing, auto registration, tax collection, etc.,) COUNTY POLICE INTEND TO ENFORCE.
I hope Chief Deane left no doubt that he will enforce ALL OF THEM.
Of course, if illegal aliens would prefer not to be arrested and deported for immigration law violations in Prince William County, they have a choice—they can leave the county now and never return.
Correct me if im wrong, but illegal means illegal. If you do not have a drivers license and you drive that is against the law??? Sorry for your bad luck if you get caught. If you get deported, “oh well” take your wife and kids with you. Simple. We sure don’t want to take care of them.
Chief Deane must be able to publish a clearly written description of the “probable cause” that will trigger a check of a person’s immigration status, and a written commitment that officers will adhere to this, enforceable by department regulations. Until he does this, any check of immigrations status can and should be considered arbitrary, racial profiling, and subject to vigorous legal challenge all the way up to the Supreme Court (for all the good that will do).
The BOCS members who voted for this law, and all the people who pushed for it, should be deeply ashamed of what they have done to our community.
Well isn’t that sweet of our police chief to be at a meeting where there are illegals attending and letting him know that is what they are, and him and the dept. are just going to leave and go about there business. What happened to the LAW? If you dont have a drivers liscence then you sure cant have insurance. Maybe we should all not worry about the little things. Lets all hope that if you or your children are in an accident that it is with a legal citizen and they are insured or we are all going to pay. Just do your job as our elected official.
What would happen if you are in an accident and have no license? Are you kidding me? The same thing that should happen to everyone! You are not special because you are hispanic, you ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO BE DRIVING! Holy crap, what is going on here? I bet he has no insurance either which would mean whomever he hurt or killed would have to pay out of pocket while he ran back to his country to hide. Give me a break, SEND THEM ALL BACK! If you are scared that is because you KNOW YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HERE! Sheesh this is getting old.


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