Reichley Column: Let guns on the VRE

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The Virginia Railway Express has voted to follow Virginia law, “allowing” law-abiding gun owners to carry their weapons on the VRE trains. Some people seem to think this is a problem, as if our friends
and neighbors who have long carried their guns around without incident will somehow turn into homicidal killers on their morning commute. 

After all, haven’t we all seen the movie “Falling Down,” which showed that we are all one rude driver away from blowing up a construction site with a bazooka? Of course, I haven’t heard of any incidents of
mild-mannered VRE commuters suddenly beating their fellow passengers senseless with a briefcase.

Columnist Davon Gray thinks the Virginia General Assembly should exempt VRE from the law. His main reason seems to be that there is something about trains that just make them a bad place for a
gun. He says that “a crowded train and random people carrying guns” scares him.  As opposed to a crowded street, or a crowded shopping center, or a crowded stadium, or a crowded park, or wherever
else you might find random law-abiding citizens who might be packing heat.

He says there are “too many threats on our transit system as it is.” Now, I hadn’t thought of the VRE as a dangerous place, but if there are “many threats,” I would think a person who owns a gun for
protection would want to have that gun with them to counter the “threats.” Not to mention that the right to carry a gun when you are not on the train isn’t much use if you can’t take the gun on the train.

Davon also explains specific rules in Virginia law about carrying guns, implying the rules change will bring out new owners who can’t be trusted to know how to properly behave. But I doubt that someone
who doesn’t own a gun now is going to think, “Hey, I should buy a gun now that I can carry it on the VRE.” 

However, there is one real problem — our basic right to self-defense ends at Virginia’s borders. Despite the court ruling lifting the D.C. gun ban, non-residents are still prohibited from carrying guns, with
few exceptions. This means most commuters will still have to leave their weapons home, even though the most dangerous part of their day could well be when they walk the streets of the capital. And
again, the right to carry a gun in some places is meaningless if you have to leave your gun at home because you are spending any part of your day in a place that treats you like a criminal.

The answer to this problem isn’t banning guns in more places, but to lift the non-resident ban on guns in D.C.  The ban doesn’t stop people in D.C. from being killed with guns, but it does guarantee that
the law-conscious citizens of our country are sitting ducks for any robber, mugger or miscreant who needs only to check a license plate to know that their victims can’t defend themselves.

In a related story, the U.S. Senate has voted to allow passengers to carry guns on Amtrak — but only in their checked luggage. Airline passengers can already do so, which again allows upstanding
citizens who can legally carry a gun to also take that gun with them on trips.  Amtrak used to allow guns, but stopped after the Madrid bombings in 2003 — once again showing how the terrorists win,
because when they break the law, our reaction is often to restrict the rights of citizens, in the name of “security.”

Interestingly, the argument against the Amtrak change is that Amtrak’s security is so bad that anybody could just steal the guns out of the bags, and it would cost too much to protect passenger
luggage. I bet most passengers didn’t know their luggage was left lying around to be plundered. And of course, if a terrorist or criminal can so easily steal guns from the checked bags, they could also put
bombs in the luggage. But apparently Amtrak figured that terrorists would somehow be stopped by a rule banning checked handguns.

If a person can legally carry a gun without causing trouble, there’s nothing special about doing so on a train. We shouldn’t restrict the self-defense rights of the innocent in the vain hope of stopping
criminals from doing bad things. Criminals don’t respect the laws, but they love when their victims are unarmed and helpless.

Charles Reichley has been a Prince William County resident since 1981. He can be reached at: .

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Flag Comment Posted by robertf864 on October 09, 2009 at 1:39 pm

phdee, don’t worry at all, the cops will be there in plenty of time to draw the chalk lines on the sidewalk, count the shell casings and stretch yellow tape around the scene.

Flag Comment Posted by Charles on October 08, 2009 at 9:49 pm

Lets look at another pennsylvania “murder/suicide” in the news, one that also involves family members.

Two twin men.  One gets drunk, runs over his brother.  Despondent, he later hangs himself.

Of course, the murder weapon was a car, not a gun, so we won’t talk about how we should not allow cars;  and the suicide was by hanging, so we won’t discuss banning rope.

Meanwhile, what little evidence we have suggests that in the “gun-toting mom” case, witnesses claim the children said the father shot the mother;  we’ll know tomorrow, so speculators here only have a few more hours to exploit her death for their arguments.  We may well find she didn’t have her weapon with her, and was murdered.

Flag Comment Posted by marinm on October 08, 2009 at 5:46 pm

I can accept if I’m wrong.  Cite your source.

Mine is Commonwealth v. Alexander and Morris v. Commonwealth.

I’m willing to learn something new.  What Virginia cases do you have that refute the above.

Flag Comment Posted by runforthehills on October 08, 2009 at 5:21 pm

mmmmarin

Yes, you can use lethal force to protect property.  If you wanted to give legal advise you should have gone to law school.

Flag Comment Posted by mmarin on October 08, 2009 at 3:31 pm

To be clear, in Virginia you cannot use lethal force to protect property.  You can only use lethal force to protect life.

Flag Comment Posted by trickydix2000 on October 08, 2009 at 3:16 pm

Not sure we need everybody walking or riding around packing heat, what is the point?  The streets are not so bad that you need to be strapped everywhere you go do we live in the same PWC?  Maybe you think the Wild West was a good era but I will have to disagree with you on that one, keep your gun at home, and defend you family and property.  Let the police protect the public.

Flag Comment Posted by mmarin on October 08, 2009 at 1:45 pm

Your rights aren’t being violated for simply being next to someone that excercises his/her right to be armed.

It’d be like saying I have the right to tell you what to wear because I don’t like your pro-bush/obama shirt.

Flag Comment Posted by RonCharest on October 08, 2009 at 1:23 pm

The news only broke at noon today, and the news story is inconclusive on who was shot and who committed suicide.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2009/10/gun-toting_soccer_mom_is_shot.html

I find the article interesting in that the headline blares “Gun-toting soccer mom is shot dead,“  but nowhere in the news story does it say conclusively that she was the one murdered.  In reading the article, the husband walked out on her, then came back last night.  Makes me go “Hmmmmmmm.“

The comments threads are also interesting.  Lots of links to studies that disprove most of the gun nut’s talking points.  Lots of opinions by gun nuts that don’t agree with the studies.  And more talking points.

If it comes to pass that the woman was the one who murdered her husband, then shot herself, it will mean that for the last year an emotionally-disturbed woman was runing around school grounds in the midst of children and parents carrying a loaded firearm. 

Which also makes me go “Hmmmmmmmm.“

My entire point in this debate has been the issue of the public safety of people who exercise their constitutionally protected right to NOT carry a loaded firearm everywhere they go.

Flag Comment Posted by mmarin on October 08, 2009 at 1:05 pm

phdee,

The woman you believe to be a criminal so far looks to be the victim of that crime.  It appears so far that her husband killed her and then committed suicide.  Not a knock on law enforcement but her husband had been a parole officer and a prison guard.

To your post at 1:53, that is the crux of our arguement.  Bad things happen to good people.  Why only allow bad people to defend themselves?  Good people should not be deprived of arms so that they may defend themselves and others until law enforcement can arrive.

From a news clip about the story:

The couple’s three children home at the time but weren’t hurt, police told the Patriot-News in Harrisburg. They were taken to stay with friends and relatives.

Some neighbors told the Lebanon Daily News they heard or saw the children — a 10-year-old boy and girls aged 2 and 6 — running from the house and screaming “Daddy shot Mommy!“ shortly before the 911 emergency center was alerted at 6:20 p.m.

Flag Comment Posted by phdee on October 08, 2009 at 12:53 pm

When the gun toting law abiding citizen decides to go criminal and starts shooting up the place, who then “defends” the other law abiding citizens?  Who steps in and comes to the rescue?

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