To those against illegal immigration
Published: May 10, 2008
Those against illegal immigration, starting today, boycott all Mexican products, including our food, beer, tequila and our labor. If you are an American in the construction industry, I suggest joining the Union, because then you aren’t at risk of a Mexican taking your job. Americans and many legal immigrants believe that by having papers, their work habits shouldn’t be up to par, which leaves “illegals” employed.
Those against illegal immigration seem to blame children of immigrants for America’s problem. I didn’t choose to be Mexican-American, I just got lucky.
Assimilation will never be achieved without some kind of amnesty, which may not even involve green cards, but valid IDs given by the DMV. Being able to identify the criminals is one way to solve this problem. But with one side crying full amnesty and the other crying mass deportation, things will only get worse.
You do not need to know English to be successful in this country and one counts as two by knowing two languages such as English and Spanish since they involve two very distinct communities.
Many “illegals” have studied the English language, and many have learned it. Other illegal and legal individuals may have it harder, since learning English at an older age is extremely difficult.
Those here “legally” may not even know English, but they receive your “respect” for having papers. Let’s be clear that “illegals” aren’t afraid to tell you they’re “illegal,” since they have nothing to hide. They may never have obtained a valid driver’s license in Virginia, but may have in another state or country. Illegal immigrants used to be able to obtain licenses in Virginia, but can no longer renew their expired licenses. We give the police department too much credit, since identifying an “illegal” for an officer couldn’t possibly be difficult. They continue to harass “illegals,” and invade homes without proper warrants, knowing “illegals” may not know what rights they have.
I could never be against illegal immigration, unless other than working, it poses an actual threat to the community as a whole, not just the minority voting population. My parents were both at one point illegal, and even though I was nothing more than an “anchor baby,” I proved to be more than just that.
RUBEN PINEDA
Manassas
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Is it moral to give a job to one person who is illegal, instead of one who is legal who has every Constitutional right to feed his family. Constitutionally you are wrong. I wish i could link back to the numerous misstatements and lies in your posts, but since this comment board is limited in what you can link too, its impossible. If anything that means i am being moral by following the law when i support legal immigrants. Why should i support businesses or organizations that hire illegals. If it makes you feel better i don’t even do fast food anymore, just for that reason. Once again hiring an illegal is no better than outsourcing to China or India. Chris Cummings
“Create jobs in our community”??? By giving them to people who aren’t legally part of this community? Now there’s a mistruth. You must have transported or aided these illegal immigrants at some point especially since in your posts you helped sponsor undocumented immigrants, second lie. “Starting this fellow on the documented path” well that sure sounds like you are aiding and abetting. The Government also has laws against illegal immigration that they don’t enforce, so you support law or your own pocketbook? You say this works well for your community, yet you support people who aren’t members of the community. Have you ever considered looking within the actual legal immigrant community for workers? Hardly are these feeble arguments. The majority of the people in the country support stopping illegal immigration and tougher laws against, the only thing feble is an employer that exploits workers, hires illegal vs. legal immigrants, pays under the table, abuses disbursement, uses phone documents, steals identities or workers that committ same. How did these illegal immigrants you hired come about with legal documention in order to get documented? Do you know unscrupulous individuals, document forgers, thieves, dmv workers who forge or steal documents, identity thieves, etc. etc. ia m surprised that no one has reported you to the authorities yet. With so many businesses that are crooked, your time will come. Chris Cummings
Chris, I guess I’m just not as smart as you. I need to see where you’re getting your information from. Please go back to any of my posts and show me where I said I paid under-the-counter wages, transported anyone or, most amazing - housed anyone illegal. Do I aid and abet? Well, if the US Government says I can, then yes I do. I’ve been posting for awhile here, but show me where I’ve said anything but that my company follows the law of the land as it exists on the books. As a business owner, it is my choice to hire whom I please. If my circle of contacts brings me in contact with an undocumented immigrant that shows good work ethic and a willingness to walk the documentation path, then it is my right to start that fellow on that path. You say you support LEGAL immigrants. Once mine have proper papers, I would ASSUME (that silly word again) you would now support them as they pay taxes, contribute to social burdens, are not criminals, are on a path to potential citizenship and may become your neighbor.
Again I say to all of our fellow posters: If the government has a program, and we follow that program, and the government supports that program, how in the hell am I doing something wrong? Oh yes, I understand my decisions may fly in the face of Chris’s personal moral values, but I ain’t Chris and at age 50, have developed my own moral compass that has worked well for me, my family and my community.
And Chris, my moral compass does not suggest I should assume things about other people that fly in the face of the facts they have provide me. When you assume things only in an effort to support your own feeble arguments, you simply display your own ignorance.
Ray why don’t you hire legal immigrants instead of sponsoring illegals, you are as bad as companies that outsource to other countries, for you are importing basically the same trouble. That very same rule book says you have already broken the laws by aiding and abettin, transporting, and housing illegals as well as i’m going to assume paying under the table or paying one legal immigrant to disburse to all the illegal workers. You ever hear of disbursement Ray. Ray we are all here to feed our families some of us just won’t take advantage of others to do it. Chris Cummings
Chris, look at it this way. When you play sports - there is a rule book. NASCAR, baseball, football, soccer. A rule book for each. A team wins by understanding and using those rules to its advantage. You may root for Dale Jr and hate it when Kyle Bush wins, but if he wins within the rules, well that’s the game. If you’re happy to play life and finish second on ‘high moral grounds’ that’s ok with me. I’m in business to feed my family and provide a retirement nest. If Washington says something is okay, then okay it is. I don’t make the rules, I just live by them. Next time I have a labor position open, do you want me to call you?
Chris, you puzzle me with your fondness for the Rule of Law one minute, then your opposition to it the next. I pass Virginia Employment Commission audits with flying colors and comply with all license and insurance requirements. As a business owner, I follow the Rule of Law as it pertains to my business. I have never even been questioned about my hiring practices by any government agency, so where do you get off casting a shadow on me? I pay more taxes than you, create jobs in our community, pay BPOL fees to all NOVA counties, do not get a ‘car tax’ break on my commercial vehicles etc. Who does PWC want more, you or me? I’d say me. If you read the book I suggested, you would understand American thrives on the backs of small businesses. And just think of who lobbies the government. Business. So please understand laws may be written to favor business interests and not your personal values. And I’m glad I do not share YOUR close-minded values.
Ray when someone is an illegal it is crime and to hire more than 10 illegals is a felony as well as it being another crime to transport, aid or abet an illegal in employment, housing, etc. I suggest you look up the law on this matter. So instead of paying the fine for illegally why can’t this very same illegal enter legally with documentation? Why can’t he wait in line like the rest of us? We already let in a million legal immigrants a year, far more than any other country in the world. Why should we have to bear the burden of the costs of someone who enters here illegally, takes a legal immigrants job, steals social services he is not entitled too, and uses our emergency rooms as regular doctor’s visits thus driving up the costs of healthcare for all legal immigrants. Let us not mention the higher crime rates caused by illegal immigrants supported by GAO numbers, FBI, and Justice Dept. figures. Other think tanks and groups like to lump legal immigrants in with those figures to distort the numbers in favor of illegal immigrants. Lies, lies, and more lies. Chris Cummings
I agree Phdee we should have multiple verifiable id’s when purchasing a house, getting a driver’s license, marriage license, green card, legal alien card, etc. and the soc. sec. card is one of them or a national id that can be verified and checked. To Ray and i need not to quote anyone famous, pleas show some respect for the law and do not give away legal immigrant jobs to illegal immigrants, it is patently unfair, against the law, discriminatory, etc. Phdee records may be hard to come by but you should be able to find some record of birth and death as well as marriage. Their are very few gaps like that in my ancestry going back many centuries even though some records have been hard to find. Poor record keeping is the most likely culprit, more so than nobody trying to keep track of this info. Chris Cummings
Barnum,I guess the difference between you and me is tyhat Idid get an education in school and while growing up, whereas you clearly did not. Ever read Erskine Caldwell’s novels on Southern racism? And old yellow is a good story. An educated person does not wrap himself up in a racist cocoon like in Mabassas and PWC and pretend thqat’s the world. Or is that all you can talK about, i.e. hate, racism, bigotry? What a horrible existence!! Oh, are you biased against sharecroppers like you are against day laborers? So I blend my past into what is going on today? And what exactly is wrong with that? You being a first class racist, what do you say about blacks who blend the civil rights movement and segregation into today’s PWC environment? I see a relevance; you don’t. You can’t even think. If you tried, the sudden rush of blood to your brain would cause you to have a stroke.
phdee, you seem to read old dime store novels about old yeller and share croppers and then somehow blend them as part of your own past. this happens a lot with addicts. Next to try to make this somehow relevant to what is going on in our country today. Get help, really.
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